Comments on: Talking storage systems with Sun’s ZFS team http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1619/talking-storage-systems-with-suns-zfs-team Who are you? Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:13:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: Kevin http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1619/talking-storage-systems-with-suns-zfs-team#comment-138937 Kevin Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:52:41 +0000 http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1619/talking-storage-systems-with-suns-zfs-team#comment-138937 The volume increases at around the 11 minute mark. The volume increases at around the 11 minute mark.

]]> By: Rafael http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1619/talking-storage-systems-with-suns-zfs-team#comment-115388 Rafael Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:03:02 +0000 http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1619/talking-storage-systems-with-suns-zfs-team#comment-115388 I bet this gets asked a lot, but Google didn't help me this time. Is there an audio-only download option? Or some legit "hack" to extract the audio track from one of the video file formats? Thanks. I bet this gets asked a lot, but Google didn’t help me this time. Is there an audio-only download option? Or some legit “hack” to extract the audio track from one of the video file formats? Thanks.

]]> By: Pluton Technologies » De xarreta sobre ZFS http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1619/talking-storage-systems-with-suns-zfs-team#comment-111400 Pluton Technologies » De xarreta sobre ZFS Mon, 22 Oct 2007 22:33:35 +0000 http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1619/talking-storage-systems-with-suns-zfs-team#comment-111400 [...] http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1619/talking-storage-systems-with-suns-zfs-team# [...] […] http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1619/talking-storage-systems-with-suns-zfs-team# […]

]]> By: Charles Soto http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1619/talking-storage-systems-with-suns-zfs-team#comment-108860 Charles Soto Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:33:26 +0000 http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1619/talking-storage-systems-with-suns-zfs-team#comment-108860 So what's this I hear in the interview about "CIFS support in the works?" I'm all ears, because we want to do ILM and disk pooling (SAM & ZFS) but our primary clients will be Mac and Windows systems via SMB (CIFS). So what’s this I hear in the interview about “CIFS support in the works?” I’m all ears, because we want to do ILM and disk pooling (SAM & ZFS) but our primary clients will be Mac and Windows systems via SMB (CIFS).

]]> By: Andrew http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1619/talking-storage-systems-with-suns-zfs-team#comment-107278 Andrew Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:32:01 +0000 http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1619/talking-storage-systems-with-suns-zfs-team#comment-107278 Great segment Robert. Low level software has always been my passion (I work in the embedded firmware world) so it was fascinating to listen to a couple of very articulate engineers who are clearly as excited about that world as I am. Sun as a company works on some stuff, like dtrace, that I find really cool. Hopefully you'll continue to talk to them! Great segment Robert. Low level software has always been my passion (I work in the embedded firmware world) so it was fascinating to listen to a couple of very articulate engineers who are clearly as excited about that world as I am.

Sun as a company works on some stuff, like dtrace, that I find really cool. Hopefully you’ll continue to talk to them!

]]> By: .:: a few thoughts on the subject by rob wright ::. » links for 2007-10-09 http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1619/talking-storage-systems-with-suns-zfs-team#comment-107078 .:: a few thoughts on the subject by rob wright ::. » links for 2007-10-09 Tue, 09 Oct 2007 03:17:14 +0000 http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1619/talking-storage-systems-with-suns-zfs-team#comment-107078 [...] Talking storage systems with Sun’s ZFS team (tags: storage sun zfs) October 08th 2007 Posted to Links [...] […] Talking storage systems with Sun’s ZFS team (tags: storage sun zfs) October 08th 2007 Posted to Links […]

]]> By: Going Bollywood | www.theirway.net http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1619/talking-storage-systems-with-suns-zfs-team#comment-106537 Going Bollywood | www.theirway.net Mon, 08 Oct 2007 04:04:38 +0000 http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1619/talking-storage-systems-with-suns-zfs-team#comment-106537 [...] Going Bollywood I just got back from a series of customer meetings with technologists from the telecommunications, media and entertainment industry (they are, after all, converging on the same market, monetizing consumers). I was joined by Greg, and a number of folks from Sun, notably Jeff Bonwick and Bill Moore, the two co-inventors of the ZFS file system. All three industries are largely underserved by innovation - their requirements and opportunities are vastly outstripping the rate at which the industry is innovating. (That’s code for, “their technology budgets are growing.”) There were a number of choice anecdotes from the sessions, my two favorites being the following. The first was relayed by the CTO of a major movie studio, who explained the value of very, very long term deep storage archives. His company had recently pulled a more than fifty year old movie out of a salt mine - where it was stored on 35mm film color separations. Before you ask, vinyl film outlasts the standards that the industry produces (a point on which I’ve written previously), and salt mines are environmentally more stable than datacenters). They pulled the separations to remaster and reissue the film on DVD. In so doing, the resulting movie actually increased in resolution for the viewer - the devices used to display the movie today (likely a laptop or high definition TV) offer better resolution than what was available to the original viewers (likely a 50’s era TV or movie theater). The movie improved with time - the modern viewer saw the movie in greater detail than the original viewers (suggesting one should always store higher resolution data than the display you see in front of you). After release of the digitally remastered version, the DVD rose to number 8 on the Amazon best seller list. Cost of production? Near $0. The effort was nearly pure profit. And they have a library of approximately 30,000 films. That’s a ton of value in a salt mine (if all the titles are as compelling, which is unlikely, but an interesting thought exercise, nonetheless). The second anecdote relates to the advent of very high resolution digital cameras - the highest, and most desirable are currently known as “4K,” offering 4096 x 3112 pixels (!) per frame - yielding cameras that spew 100’s of megabytes of imagery per second). The direcctor of one feature length film wanted to keep all the footage from a soon to be introduced new movie. He wanted to preserve outtakes and all, for the eventual “Behind the Making of…” or “Director’s Cut…” versions of the movie. The digital master for an average 4k film is roughly 9 Terabytes - that’s for the version you and I would see in a theater. But the total archive including out takes and secondary/tertiary angles (bits are a lot cheaper than film, so why not set up three or four cameras for every shot?) was roughly (drum roll please)… a PETABYTE (or a thousand terabytes, or roughly 500,000 iPods). Equivalent to about a million feet of 35mm film. That’s a lot of data. To be archived for… well, to the first anecdote, likely forever (like health records or airport surveillance). And now you know one of the (many) principle motivations behind a file system we built at Sun, ZFS. The focus of the ZFS team is both the scale, simplicity and quality of storage (on Mac OS X, BSD, Solaris and Linux). This is a great overview of ZFS by Jeff and Bill - of why ZFS matters to the media and entertainment industry, and likely anyone concerned with high quality, high scale and high productivity, storage. As I was told by Jeff (parroting a storage executive), there are only two types of disk drives in the industry. Drives that have failed, and drives that are about to fail. And now you know what inspired ZFS, and what’s inspiring interest in it. [...] […] Going Bollywood I just got back from a series of customer meetings with technologists from the telecommunications, media and entertainment industry (they are, after all, converging on the same market, monetizing consumers). I was joined by Greg, and a number of folks from Sun, notably Jeff Bonwick and Bill Moore, the two co-inventors of the ZFS file system. All three industries are largely underserved by innovation - their requirements and opportunities are vastly outstripping the rate at which the industry is innovating. (That’s code for, “their technology budgets are growing.”) There were a number of choice anecdotes from the sessions, my two favorites being the following. The first was relayed by the CTO of a major movie studio, who explained the value of very, very long term deep storage archives. His company had recently pulled a more than fifty year old movie out of a salt mine - where it was stored on 35mm film color separations. Before you ask, vinyl film outlasts the standards that the industry produces (a point on which I’ve written previously), and salt mines are environmentally more stable than datacenters). They pulled the separations to remaster and reissue the film on DVD. In so doing, the resulting movie actually increased in resolution for the viewer - the devices used to display the movie today (likely a laptop or high definition TV) offer better resolution than what was available to the original viewers (likely a 50’s era TV or movie theater). The movie improved with time - the modern viewer saw the movie in greater detail than the original viewers (suggesting one should always store higher resolution data than the display you see in front of you). After release of the digitally remastered version, the DVD rose to number 8 on the Amazon best seller list. Cost of production? Near $0. The effort was nearly pure profit. And they have a library of approximately 30,000 films. That’s a ton of value in a salt mine (if all the titles are as compelling, which is unlikely, but an interesting thought exercise, nonetheless). The second anecdote relates to the advent of very high resolution digital cameras - the highest, and most desirable are currently known as “4K,” offering 4096 x 3112 pixels (!) per frame - yielding cameras that spew 100’s of megabytes of imagery per second). The direcctor of one feature length film wanted to keep all the footage from a soon to be introduced new movie. He wanted to preserve outtakes and all, for the eventual “Behind the Making of…” or “Director’s Cut…” versions of the movie. The digital master for an average 4k film is roughly 9 Terabytes - that’s for the version you and I would see in a theater. But the total archive including out takes and secondary/tertiary angles (bits are a lot cheaper than film, so why not set up three or four cameras for every shot?) was roughly (drum roll please)… a PETABYTE (or a thousand terabytes, or roughly 500,000 iPods). Equivalent to about a million feet of 35mm film. That’s a lot of data. To be archived for… well, to the first anecdote, likely forever (like health records or airport surveillance). And now you know one of the (many) principle motivations behind a file system we built at Sun, ZFS. The focus of the ZFS team is both the scale, simplicity and quality of storage (on Mac OS X, BSD, Solaris and Linux). This is a great overview of ZFS by Jeff and Bill - of why ZFS matters to the media and entertainment industry, and likely anyone concerned with high quality, high scale and high productivity, storage. As I was told by Jeff (parroting a storage executive), there are only two types of disk drives in the industry. Drives that have failed, and drives that are about to fail. And now you know what inspired ZFS, and what’s inspiring interest in it. […]

]]> By: BRYAN’S BLOG » Blog Archive » ZFS is a beautiful thing http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1619/talking-storage-systems-with-suns-zfs-team#comment-99689 BRYAN’S BLOG » Blog Archive » ZFS is a beautiful thing Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:19:31 +0000 http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1619/talking-storage-systems-with-suns-zfs-team#comment-99689 [...] http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/zfs_learning_center.jsp [...] […] http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/zfs_learning_center.jsp […]

]]> By: A conversation with the inventors of Sun’s ZFS at aoortic! dot com http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1619/talking-storage-systems-with-suns-zfs-team#comment-98198 A conversation with the inventors of Sun’s ZFS at aoortic! dot com Sun, 16 Sep 2007 15:18:56 +0000 http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1619/talking-storage-systems-with-suns-zfs-team#comment-98198 [...] Smart dudes. 45 minutes. Talking about Sun Microsystems’ ZFS. File storage system that’s used on a ton of datacenter computers and is rumored to be used in a future version of OSX. [...] […] Smart dudes. 45 minutes. Talking about Sun Microsystems’ ZFS. File storage system that’s used on a ton of datacenter computers and is rumored to be used in a future version of OSX. […]

]]> By: Keith Williams http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1619/talking-storage-systems-with-suns-zfs-team#comment-95418 Keith Williams Thu, 06 Sep 2007 22:39:43 +0000 http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1619/talking-storage-systems-with-suns-zfs-team#comment-95418 Excellent Interview! This is the sort of content you can't find anywhere else. I agree with Mr. Overend. More "smart folks" plz. Excellent Interview! This is the sort of content you can’t find anywhere else. I agree with Mr. Overend. More “smart folks” plz.

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